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John Paul I: This is an image from the Nationaal Archief, the Dutch National Archives, and Spaarnestad Photo, donated to Wikimedia in the context of a partnership program.
John Paul II: https://audrey-shark.blogspot.com
John Paul I [Albino Luciani] 1978
John Paul II [Karol Wojtyla] 1978-2005
From Claude:
Here are the conclaves since 1900, with length counted inclusively from the first day of voting to the day the pope was elected:
|
Year |
Pope elected |
Dates |
Days |
Ballots |
|---|---|---|---|---|
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1903 |
Pius X |
Jul 31 – Aug 4 |
5 |
7 |
|
1914 |
Benedict XV |
Aug 31 – Sep 3 |
4 |
10 |
|
1922 |
Pius XI |
Feb 2 – 6 |
5 |
14 |
|
1939 |
Pius XII |
Mar 1 – 2 |
2 |
3 |
|
1958 |
John XXIII |
Oct 25 – 28 |
4 |
11 |
|
1963 |
Paul VI |
Jun 19 – 21 |
3 |
6 |
|
Aug 1978 |
John Paul I |
Aug 25 – 26 |
2 |
4 |
|
Oct 1978 |
John Paul II |
Oct 14 – 16 |
3 |
8 |
|
2005 |
Benedict XVI |
Apr 18 – 19 |
2 |
4 |
|
2013 |
Francis |
Mar 12 – 13 |
2 |
5 |
|
2025 |
Leo XIV |
May 7 – 8 |
2 |
4 |
This is from memory, and I haven't checked it against a source. The dates and ballot counts for the modern conclaves are well documented. The counts for the early ones, especially 1903 and 1914, can differ by a ballot or so between sources, because records of older conclaves are less precise. Day counts also depend on whether you count inclusively, as I did, or count the nights elapsed.
The 1922 conclave was the longest of the period at 14 ballots, and 1939 the shortest at 3.
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From vatican.va:
HIGHLIGHTS OF THE LIFE OF HIS HOLINESS JOHN PAUL I
1912, 17 October Born at "Forno di Canale" (Belluno), (actually at Canale d'Argordo), son of Giovanni Luciani and Bortola Tancon; was baptized the same day at home, by the midwife, as he was in danger of death.
19 October Baptism was formalized in the Church by the curate, Don Achille Ronzon.
1918 October Began elementary school.
1919 26 September Was confirmed by Bishop Giosuè Cattarossi.
1923 October Entered the minor seminary in Feltre.
1928 October Entered the Gregorian Seminary at Belluno.
1934 Ordained as sub-deacon.
1935 2 February Ordained as deacon.
7 July Ordained to the priesthood at St. Peter's Church of Belluno.
9 July Named curate of the parish at Canale d'Agordo.
18 December Transferred as curate of Agordo and named instructor of religion at the Technical Institute for Miners in Agordo.
1937 July Named vice-rector of the Gregorian Seminary in Belluno (1937-1947).
October Began his service as instructor.
1947 27 February Graduated from the Gregorian University in Rome with a doctorate in Sacred Theology, his thesis being, "The origin of the human soul according to Antonio Rosmini".
November Nominated chancellor of the diocese of Belluno by Bishop Girolamo Bortignon.
16 December Nominated Monsignor. Nominated Secretary of the Diocescan Synod.
1948 2 February Nominated Pro Vicar-General of the diocese of Belluno.
Nominated Director of the Catechetics Office of the Diocese.
1949 December Published Catechetica in briciole.
1950 March Published his doctoral thesis.
1954 6 February Nominated Vicar-General of the Diocese of Belluno.
1956 30 June Nominated Canon of the Cathedral.
1958 15 December Named Bishop of Vittorio Veneto by Pope John XXIII.
27 December Consecrated Bishop by John XXIII at St. Peter's Basilica together with the newly consecrated bishops, Gioacchino Muccin and Girolamo Bortignon.
1959 11 January Took possession of the diocese of Vittorio Veneto
17 June Began his pastoral visit.
1962 8 October - 8 December Was present for the opening of the Vatican Council II in Rome; returning to his diocese only for a few days.
1963 28 September - 4 December Returns to Rome for the 2nd Session of the Vatican Council II; returning to his diocese only for a few days.
1964 13 September - 21 November Returns to Rome for the 3rd Session of the Vatican Council II.
1965 13 September - 9 December Returns to Rome for the 4th Session of the Vatican Council II.
1966 16 August - 2 September Traveled to Burundi on mission for the diocese of Vittorio Veneto.
1969 15 December Named Patriarch of Venice by Pope Paul VI .
1970 1 February Received honorary citizenship of Vittorio Veneto.
8 February Officially entered the City of Venice as Patriarch.
25 October Began his pastoral visit.
1971 12-14 June Made a pastoral visit to Switzerland, returning by way of Savoy.
28 September - 5 November Participated in the II Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops in Rome regarding "The Ministerial Priesthood and Justice in the World", returning to his diocese from 23 to 31 of October.
1972 12-17 June Was elected Vice President of the Italian Bishops Conference, holding this position until 2 June 1975.
16 September Received Pope Paul VI in visit to Venice.
1973 5 March Created Cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church.
1974 27 September - 26 October Participated in the III Ordinary General Assembly in Rome of the Synod of Bishops regarding "Evangelization in the Modern World".
1975 18 May Traveled on Pastoral Visit to Germany.
6-21 November Completed a Pastoral Visit to Brasil where he was given the honorary degree of "honoris causa" from the state university of "S. Maria a Rio Grande do Sul".
1976 January Published: Illustrissimi.
10-13 September As an official representative of the Italian Episcopal Conference, participated in the commemorative celebration at Spalato, Yugoslavia.
1977 30 September - 29 October Participated in the IV Ordinary General Assembly in Rome of the Synod of Bishops regarding "Catechetics in Our Time".
1978 6 August Death of Pope Paul VI.
10 August Left for Rome.
26 August During the second day of the conclave, elected Supreme Pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church, choosing the name John Paul I.
27 August Gave his first radio message «urbi er orbi».
3 September Ceremony that initiates his pastoral service.
28 September Died.
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John Paul I - A strange, indeed unique figure in the history of the Papacy. Other Popes have had very short ministries (he himself would probably not appreciate me using the term "reigns"); others have had controversial deaths that might have been foul play (I have not studied the matter); but it would seem that none has introduced himself to the world with two names, nor has any other appended the ordinal "First" to his assumed name. Francis, famously, did not do so a few decades later. In this strange and quiet way he marked out his own milestone in the Church's shift from the conventions of the second millennium to the third. He obviously broke ground for Francis by taking a new name, and he was a man of such influence that his very different successor took up his implied directive and his name.
Given the shortness of his pontificate John Paul I did not contribute a papal document to the Church's social teaching; rather, his life was a kind of embodiment of it. (The source I am following here is the introduction to Lori Pieper, OFS, A Passionate Adventure: Living the Christian Life Today, which is otherwise a collection of writings from Albino Luciani's career as a bishop and cardinal.)
As a geologist I will stop to comment that Albino Luciani was born and grew up in a village in the Dolomite Alps. They have that name because they are composed largely of very pale dolomite, which is usually used as both a mineral name and the name of a rock composed dominantly of that mineral, although you will find that carbonate geologist who will employ the term "dolostone" for the latter. It's an odd name. Dolomieu is a town in France, adjoining another part of the Alps much further west. That town's most famous citizen was Deodat de Dolomieu, a late 18th century naturalist for whom dolomite is named. Prior to the 19th century these Dolomite Alps in northeast Italy were apparently called by a name that roughly translates "Pale Mountains," which is much like the range of quartzite mountains in Wyoming called the "Snowy Range," but these Dolomite Alps were renamed officially in the 1860s.
Albino's father was a laborer who left the Church for socialism for a while in his youth; he was a young widower with two deaf daughters when he married Albino's mother, who convinced him to come back to the Church. Albino would become the "smiling Pope" and apparently his father had been a smiling workingman. A number of times in his life he had to seek work in nearby countries (Switzerland, Germany, France). Albino later recollected that he was struck by the grandness of the organ and the church in his little village, and specifically that it seemed to welcome him and his fellow poor village boys as if they were princes--that this testified to him about the nature of the Church of Christ which acknowledges great dignity in the poor. A Capuchin preacher one Lent prompted his vocation to the priesthood. Supposedly his father said in reply from France, "I hope that when you become a priest you will be on the side of the workers, for Christ Himself would have been on their side."
Albino served a short time as a parish priest in his own village and neighboring parishes, but his intellectual ability led his bishop to put him to work teaching in the seminary. In fact, the need for this was apparently so urgent that rather than send him to Rome to get the usually required licentiate, he was retained in the Veneto and eventually the Gregorian University agreed to let him earn his doctorate "remotely" as we now say. (It was also 1941 and things were rather unsettled.) In 1943-1945 he was part of the underground during the Nazi occupation of northern Italy after the coup against Mussolini and the Allied invasion.
Albino knew Angelo Roncalli, who admired him and appointed him bishop of Vittorio Veneto shortly after becoming Pope. Paul VI eventually made him Patriarch of Venice (where both John XXIII and Pius X had also been before him). When Paul VI died in 1978, there was an unexpectedly swift conclave--only four ballots--and Albino emerged as Pope despite his own belief that a Third World cardinal should be elected and that he himself was not a great candidate.
Albino actually is on record as saying simply that John XXIII made him bishop and Paul VI made him cardinal and therefore he took both those names. This seems incredibly ingenuous to me--but perhaps in keeping with Albino's whole career of preaching and public pronouncements. Apparently his parish priest gave him a gentle rebuke for using too many complicated words in a text meant for the parish bulletin, and young Albino took this very much to heart, cultivating a very simple style meant to be comprehensible to everyone, poor as well as educated. Nevertheless he was a very capable intellectual, a theologian capable of careful reasoning, and a document largely drafted by him was used by Paul VI for some critical passages in Humanae Vitae. So what he was concealing beneath this simple explanation for upending the entire tradition of papal regnal names may have been rather deep and subtle, although no doubt the truth of this will never be known.
John Paul II - The thought of doing justice to his influence in this space overwhelms me. I have spent a great deal of time on John Paul I because, despite the ephemeral nature of his papacy, he broke such new ground in terms of papal names. The fact that John Paul II implicitly agreed to take up the "burden" of a double name then cemented this legacy as he would carry it for over 26 years as a Pope who was a public figure of the first magnitude--his own legacy and hopefully not even his greatest one.
From Magisterium AI:
Karol Wojtyła’s Love and Responsibility was first published in Polish in 1960.
16 October 1978 — Election to the papacy. The Polish Cardinal Karol Wojtyła was elected pope and took the name John Paul II. 1
1979 — Redemptor Hominis. His first encyclical set out a central theme of his pontificate: the human person understood in the light of Christ. The supplied sources identify his major encyclicals as a defining part of his teaching, though they do not give this document’s date or contents.
1981 — Attempt on his life. He was shot in St Peter’s Square on 13 May and later forgave his attacker (Mehmet Ali Agca).
1981 — Familiaris Consortio. Following the 1980 Synod of Bishops on the family, this apostolic exhortation gave a systematic direction to the Church’s pastoral care of family life.
1983 — Promulgation of the revised Code of Canon Law for the Latin Church. The new Code was among the major instruments of Church governance promulgated during his pontificate.
1983 — Year of Redemption. John Paul II proclaimed this special year as part of the spiritual preparation that later led toward the Great Jubilee.
1985 — World Youth Day begins. John Paul II’s initiative to bring young people together became a lasting feature of his pastoral ministry.
1987–1988 — Marian Year. This was another major spiritual observance in the preparation for the Jubilee of 2000.
1990 — Promulgation of the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches. Together with the Latin Code, it was a major contribution to the law and organization of the Catholic Church.
1 May 1991 — Centesimus Annus. Issued for the hundredth anniversary of Leo XIII’s Rerum Novarum, this social encyclical revisited the Church’s teaching on social and economic life in light of recent history, including the collapse of the Soviet system. It affirmed democracy and economic initiative while stressing that both must be judged by moral principles and solidarity.
1992 — Catechism of the Catholic Church. John Paul II promulgated the Catechism as a comprehensive presentation of Catholic doctrine.
6 August 1993 — Veritatis Splendor. I can’t verify its date or summarize its teaching from the materials available here; they contain no text or reliable reference for this encyclical.
1995 — Evangelium Vitae and Ut Unum Sint. These encyclicals addressed the dignity and protection of human life and the pursuit of Christian unity.
2000 — Great Jubilee
2002 - World Youth Day in Toronto.
2 April 2005 — Death. The Jubilee was a high point of his pontificate. He died in Rome on 2 April 2005, after serving for more than 26 years.

Sep 30, 2026
Sep 30, 2026
54 min
St Paul I [brother: Stephen II] 757-767
Paul II [Pietro Barbo] 1464-1471
Paul III [Alessandro Farnese] 1534-1549
Paul IV [Giovanni Caraffa] 1555-1559
Paul V [Camillo Borghese] 1605-1621
St Paul VI [Giovanni Montini] 1963-1978
St. Paul I: brother to Pope Stephen II and succeeded him--the sort of thing that could happen in the premodern era. This was the era of Pepin the Frank, where the Frankish kingdom had just become the papacy's welcome bulwark against the conquests of the Lombards and the intrigues of the Byzantines, who also wished to take back control of as much of Italy as possible; at the end of the century this would lead to the crowning of Constantine as Western Emperor and the final decline of Byzantine influence, although the Lombard dukes would take longer to diminish in importance. Pope Paul I had a reputation for honor and personal sanctity which were still common in that era.
Paul II: elected in the fifteenth century recovery and Roman Renaissance period following the Avignon period and the schism and wild experimental councils that ended it. His uncle was Pope Eugene II and apparently he became a priest after his uncle's election. Paul II was a big spender on building projects (probably still needed at the time), carnivals and festivals, and was a supporter of the arts. However, he also found it necessary to reign in some of the more ardent Renaissance figures of his day and closed something called the Roman Academy for its excesses toward paganism and moral turpitude. He made efforts, building on the conciliar period at the beginning of the century, to bring Russia into communion with Rome and to combat the Turks who had just conquered Constantinople; these big ideas and initiatives were, sadly, not successful. The Ottomans continued expanding for centuries to come and Russia is still very much in schism with Rome.
Paul III: An aristocrat of the Farnese family, educated at Rome and Florence; knew Leo X from their youth in Florence. He was a cardinal from age 25 until his election as Pope at age 66, a period embracing the excesses of Popes Alexander and Julius/Julian and the beginning of Luther's disturbances. He was enormously influential between his intellect, education, wealth, time in the Sacred College, and diplomatic skill. Finally he was elected Pope in a time of turmoil, less than 20 years after Luther's 95 theses. By that point he was old and respected and past some questionable periods in his youth.
Apparently Paul saw immediately that a new general council was needed to address the outbreak of Protestantism, but his efforts to get one started were thwarted by Holy Roman Emperor Charles V's attempts to hammer out vague agreements that everyone could accept, and even more so by the power politics of the French under Francois I. He wanted the Holy Roman Empire divided and weakened, and did not care if heresy was the means to that end. In that light it is not surprising that he persecuted Protestants harshly within France itself. This became a recurring French policy and would culminate in the Thirty Years' War that devastated and practically ended the Holy Roman Empire as a united country. Pope Paul was not immune to concerns about the excessive power of the Holy Roman Emperors who had mistreated so many of his predecessors, Gregory VII in particular, but in this he may have been short-sighted; his family were traditional Guelphs who supported the Popes politically against the Emperors.
In any case Paul III did get the Council of Trent started and, like Pope John XXIII, did see its initial sessions. Against Charles V's desires, they immediately set to work on some of the key issues regarding original sin, justification, and the sacraments. Meanwhile Pope Paul had begun many reforms of the Curia and Church discipline on his own initiative that after his death were taken up by the Council. He supported many of the new religious orders springing up in this era. Many see Paul III as a Pope of towering importance for the history of the Church.
Paul IV: Born of a Neapolitan noble family, brought into the Church by his uncle Cardinal Ottavino, but very attracted by the discipline of religious life. He, too, knew Leo X and was sent on diplomatic missions in his pontificate. Cardinal Giovanni, later Paul IV, eventually became a member of the priestly order set up by St. Cajetan. Because Giovanni was Bishop of Chieti, Theate in Latin, and because he was first general of the order, they became known as Theatines--a remarkably indirect reason. Protestant brigands sacked Rome in 1527 and the Theatines suffered greatly and went away to Venice for a few years, but Paul III believed they were needed in Rome and brought them back. Paul III made the future Paul IV a cardinal and employed him in reforming the Curia and in the Inquisition in Italy, where he was very strict if not harsh. Paul IV was very old at his election as pope and quite surprised by it. Legend has it that he might have refused the election if another cardinal had not announced that Charles V would veto Cardinal Caraffa if elected; in outrage at this attempt at meddling, Caraffa accepted. The Habsburgs shut the pope out of the serious issues of the era, especially the attempts at a political settlement with Protestants and issues around the succession to the Empire and forced the pope to ally with France.
Unlike Paul III, Paul IV is not considered a successful pope. He promoted a very unworthy "cardinal-nephew" despite his own personal rigor; he was petty in awarding other family members with land taken from Spaniards due to his quarrels with the Habsburgs; he took probably very problematic measures encouraging harshness by Queen Mary in England and thwarting Cardinal Pole. He did take some actions toward re-establishing a Catholic hierarchy in the Netherlands and starting one in the Orient. He continued to encourage the Inquisition but at least had a reputation for being no respecter of persons in that regard, and he did disavow his problematic nephews after various failures.
Paul V: A relative of St. Catherine, his family was from Siena and had moved to Rome. In many ways he was a stiff canon lawyer and a bad negotiator. He got into a tremendously bitter dispute with Venice on grounds that to modern ears sound pretty bad: Venice refused to exempt clergy from civil courts. They did also forbid transfer of real property to clergy and required civil approval of new churches. Paul V put them under interdict, which they flagrantly ignored. The Jesuits, Theatines, and Capuchins left the city, and the other clergy apparently sided with the government. Much was written by learned men on either side, such as Baronius, Bellarmine, and the Venetian Paolo Sarpi--something of a quasi-Protestant and despiser of the politics of the Papal Curia. The French and Spanish governments helped broker a somewhat distasteful compromise--certainly distasteful to Paul V.
Yet Paul V was not always so intransigent. He tried to reach a rapprochement with James I in England, asking that Catholics in general not be persecuted after the Gunpowder Plot but commiserating with the monarch over the attempted assassination, but the pope was rebuffed. An interesting note: According to J. Jungmanns, The Mass of the Roman Rite, Paul V signed a decree in 1615 allowing the Mass to be celebrated in Chinese, out of respect for the antiquity and learning of ancient Chinese philosophy, recognizing it as a peer to Latin or Greek. This decree was never transmitted and acted upon, and Benedict XIV a few years later decided differently.
In administering Rome Paul V was more successful. Even though he promoted many members of his family, they in general served the administration well. He also got to celebrate many of the achievements of the sixteenth century: the new St. Peter's was finished, and he canonized or beatified saints like Charles Borromeo, Frances of Rome, Ignatius of Loyola, Francis Xavier, and Philip Neri. Sadly, his reign also saw the actual start of the Thirty Years' War.
Paul VI: Our first pope in living memory if we discount the preliminary discussion of the Piuses. Paul VI was a career Church diplomat, much like John XXIII and Pius XII. When John XXIII called the Second Vatican Council and then passed away a short time into its proceedings, Cardinal Montini was elected and took the long-disused name of Paul. He never publicly explained his choice in detail. It is widely believed that it was to hark back to the Apostle, far more than any kind of biretta-tip to a previous pope, although the legacy of Paul III and his reforms leading to the Council of Trent might be a distant secondary consideration. John XXIII had taken an even more disused name, the name of an Apostle, and Paul's legacy and its connection to Rome if anything makes it surprising that more Popes have not taken the name.
In any case, Paul's pontificate was inevitably linked to the Council. His tasks were to celebrate and spread its messages, begin the authoritative interpretation of its statements, and carry out its intentions. In the event Paul was pope long enough to complete most of the latter: the enormous revisions to the Mass and to the Breviary or Liturgy of the Hours. He also implemented changes to the structure of the Curia in Regimini ecclesiae universae, a stream of influence on the later 1983 revision of the Code of Canon Law under John Paul II. Perhaps the final major document of the postconciliar period, the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, was not completed until 1994 and bears more of the mark of John Paul.
Paul VI did not use the term "new evangelization" but made statements leading in that direction--for example, in the document Ecclesiam Suam on the Church's posture toward the modern world and in Evangelii Nuntiandi. He contributed to Catholic social teaching on the morality of economic development, especially in Populorum Progressio. In these ways he emphasized the positive developments begun during the Council. In other ways he took stands against the so-called "spirit of Vatican II" by emphasizing traditional doctrines. In Mysterium fidei he emphasized the continuing central role of the Blessed Sacrament in Catholic spirituality, and in Humanae Vitae he reiterated and put on a new, bolder, more consistently argued footing the traditions of Christian sexual morality, combating the unprecedented assault of the "Sexual Revolution" and paving the way for John Paul II to develop these ideas more fully in his pontificate.
Why Paul VII, and what would taking that name seem to imply for a 21st century pope?
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Using St. Paul as a reference point could never be inappropriate. In our contemporary situation the primary inference, an emphasis on the missionary calling of the Church, would again be foremost. Paul could also be used as a symbol of Romanness, but the political situation for that is hard to see reasserting itself any time soon.
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Obviously folk would assume a reference is being made back to Paul VI and to the Second Vatican Council. This, as even this short summary shows, would be an ambiguous reference. Is Paul VI the "liberal" Pope who fulfilled the Council's promise to rescue us from the Latin mumble Mass? Or is he the "conservative" Pope who was so out of touch as to condemn contraception?
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Paul III is a prominent enough figure that he, too, could serve as a reference point. In that case look out for a Third Vatican Council or (if Providence is truly gracious) a Fourth Council of Constantinople. The assessment of such a cardinal choosing to call out Paul III specifically (in addition to Paul the Apostle, Paul VI, and perhaps other great Pauls from Christian history) might be that the situation is parallel to the situation Paul III inherited in this way: The conciliar movement at the end of the Western Schism did not reach a stable resolution at Constance, Pisa, or Basle, but left smoldering embers that roared up as Protestantism and required the Council of Trent to address (unfortunately after enormous lasting damage was done). Similarly, the legacy of the Second Vatican Council is clearly unresolved. That is to say nothing of the millennium-old schism with the East, although this hypothetical Paul VII might or might not choose to embrace the goal of complete reunification of apostolic, sacramental Christianity--he might well decide that the Roman communion needs to heal its own wounds before launching itself more vigorously into that quest. In any case, a reference to Paul III might imply a belief in the need for another Council to settle the liturgical, administrative, and other problems still facing the Church.

Aug 30, 2026
Aug 30, 2026
47 min
Changing the numbering system to be more suggestive of a bracket. Sixtus is the third one seed, if you will.
Image: Sandro Botticelli, 1480, Pope Sixtus II
Popes names Sixtus (originally Xystus):
St Sixtus I 117 or 119 to 126 or 128 Martyr
St Sixtus II 257 to 258 Famous martyr, in the Roman Canon
St Sixtus III 432 to 440
Sixtus IV 1471 to 1484 Sistine Chapel named for him
Sixtus V 1585 to 1590 Great reformer of the Papal States and Curia
Sixtus or Xystus I: the earliest pope we have covered so far, in the very uncertain period of the second century, during the reign of Hadrian. The chronicles that look back to this time do not agree on the dates of his ministry and otherwise only record a few vague details. He is supposed to have placed the chanting of the Sanctus at its present place in the Mass, right after the Preface; he is also recorded to have been martyred, although nothing seems to be preserved about the event.
Sixtus / Xystus II: pope during the persecution of Valerian in the third century. His brief reign saw a reconciliation with St. Cyprian and churches in Africa and Asia Minor, which had been requiring heretics to be rebaptized. The persecution was stepped up in August 258 and Pope Xystus was beheaded with four deacons in a cemetery where he was celebrating Mass; two more deacons were executed the same day; the last and most famous deacon, Lawrence, survived a few days to be captured and according to legend roasted to death. Pope Sixtus to this day is mentioned in the full version of the Roman Canon of the Eucharistic Prayer.
Sixtus / Xystus III: prior to his election as pope, a correspondent with St. Augustine. Approved the acts of the Council of Ephesus and rededicated the restored basilica of St. Mary Major. This historical period included continued disputes with both Pelagians and Nestorians. Defended and maintained papal supremacy over Illyricum. Succeeded by Leo the Great.
Sixtus IV: pope of the late fifteenth century. Born of poor parents; became a Franciscan and a notable theologian. Unfortunately once pope he became a traditional nepotist and involved the Papal States in wars to put his nephews in charge of Florence and Ferrara, and wars of this nature continued to absorb papal attention through the beginning of the Reformation. He opposed and annulled the decrees of the Council of Constance and was successful in turning the Church away from conciliarism. He was a great builder and is said to have made Rome much more livable, helping continue its recovery from the Avignon period of the papacy. He reorganized and essentially refounded the Vatican Library and most famously built the Sistine Chapel.
Sixtus V: also of poor birth and Dalmatian ancestry, whose family had fled from Turkish expansion; supposedly a swineherd as a boy. Also became a Franciscan and rose to prominence in that order, also for a time appointed to the Inquisition in Venice. Accompanied the future Gregory XIII to Spain to investigate claims that the Archbishop of Toledo was a heretic, and the two did not get along. During Gregory XIII's long reign he was sidelined. Similarly to his time as an inquisitor, he proved to be an effective but severe and even brutal ruler of the Papal States. He had perhaps ten thousand to thirty thousand brigands to deal with and nearly exterminated them. He put the papal finances in order and built many useful and beautiful buildings, but seems to have taxed the economy into a stupor. Of particular significance, he created fifteen Congregations to organize the cardinals and created much of the current structure of the Curia. He caused editions of the Septuagint and the Vulgate to be printed, although his edition of the Vulgate is not considered to be of high quality, and even at the time was recalled and corrected in 1592 due to many errors already recognized. He was supposedly on the point of forcing the Jesuits to change their name from the "Society of Jesus" and change some of the rules of the order when he died. For a change he was actually notably non-nepotistic.
Why Sixtus VI: A cardinal would take this name in order to revive the memory of Sixtus II (and I), recognizing that the Church in so many parts of the world faces persecution on a massive scale. That by itself might be enough. The early modern era Popes Sixtus, especially Sixtus V, might contribute to the idea especially if 1) the cardinal is a Franciscan and 2) he plans to address the Vatican finances and the organization of the Curia at large.

Jul 21, 2026
Jul 21, 2026
19 min
Paul followed through on his promise to read Fathers and Sons by Turgenev, Paradise Lost, and Crime and Punishment to discuss with a former student. Some gleanings from his particular corner of the asylum.

Jun 1, 2026
Jun 1, 2026
7 min
Life keeps happening.
Pope Sixtus is the next name on the docket and I will get it out by July. Another fascinating history if not as long as Leo or Gregory.
I have promised a former student to read along with her: Crime and Punishment by Dostoevsky, Fathers and Sons by Turgenev, and Paradise Lost by you know who. So I will attempt to drop a few thoughts about that sometime over the course of June.
Another topic: Pope Leo's first encyclical. After reading the first ten paragraphs, I am very struck by his distributist (that word is clearly lurking in the background) interpretation of Nehemiah, the story he presents as paradigmatic for human economic effort arranged in a way consistent with human nature and our relationship with God. Surely Bill and I can find some grist to grind there when I get him corralled and back at a microphone.

Apr 4, 2026
Apr 4, 2026
14 min
The talk I actually gave at the retreat...I ended up not even giving the Man of God talk.
Artwork: The Ghent Altarpiece, 15th century

Mar 29, 2026
Mar 29, 2026
16 min
I would have liked to get an episode of the bracket out during the actual NCAA tournament, but I was asked to give two talks at a confirmation retreat, so I'm giving those to you as bonus episodes.
Stay tuned later in April for an episode featuring the name Sixtus...only five of them but quite the history.
--Paul
Image credit for Christ, the Man of Sorrows: https://www.wga.hu/html/c/ceccarel/sorrows.html

Mar 15, 2026
Mar 15, 2026
1 hr 39 min
SHOW NOTES FOR “A CALENDAR OF GREGORIES”
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The bracket is back! Paul’s application of March Madness oddsmaking to the name and fame of popes throughout history returns in this episode. Co-hosts Paul and Bill, after completing a tour of popes called Leo, now look at Pope Gregory, a popular name that appeared in sixteen iterations. This makes for an informative roller coaster ride through the past.
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This chain started out with a man actually born as Gregory. He chose to be Pope Gregory I and ruled in the Vatican in the years 590-604, but the Catholic Church has chosen to call him Gregory the Great. He did much to shape the Church of the Dark Ages and Medieval times. He was a great administrator, even helping to “orchestrate” the development of Gregorian Chant. He is a canonized saint.
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Gregory II reigned in 715-731. He was one of the popes dealing with warring European factions and with the rise of Islam. He is a canonized saint.
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Gregory III, whose term was 731-741, addressed issues such as iconoclasm, a penchant among some European Catholic factions as well as in Islam.
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Paul goes on to tell tales of Gregory IV (827-844) and of Gregory V (996-999), who was the first German pope, and of Gregory VI (1045-1046). This simoniac resigned a year before his death.
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Gregory VII (1073-1085) was born Hildebrand of Sovana. This great reformer is a canonized saint. Gregory VIII ruled for two months in 1187.
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Gregory IX (1227-1241) was followed by Gregory X (1271-1276) and by Gregory XI (1370-1378), who was the last French pope and the last pope to reign in Avignon as the holy see.
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Gregory XII (1406-1415) He was the last of the Roman line during the Western Schism (1378–1417), when the papacy was contested by antipopes in Avignon (France) and in Pisa (Italy).
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Gregory XIII (1572-1585) promulgated the Gregorian Calendar.
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Gregory XIV had a short tenure in 1590-1591. Then came Gregory XV (1621-1623).
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Gregory XVI (1831-1846) presided over debates on how to handle the future of the papal states, and he supported traditional monarchies in Europe, says Britannica. He was the last pope named Gregory.
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The classic papal name Gregory provides a throughline for viewing immense change between the secular and the sacred, spanning conflict and continuity in the first and second millennia of the Common Era. The calendar changed, but the Church is still here.
Photo: Unidentified, San Gregorio Magno, 18th century, carved and painted wood, 27 1⁄2 x 9 5⁄8 x 9 1⁄4 in. (69.8 x 24.5 x 23.6 cm.), Smithsonian American Art Museum, Teodoro Vidal Collection, 1996.91.58A-B

Jan 25, 2026
Jan 25, 2026
50 min
Leo - Episode P2
Artwork: by Francesco Solimena - Web Gallery of Art: Public Domain, Wikimedia Commons
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“That’s So Second Millennium” retains its online longevity, posting this 149th episode. We invite listeners to keep returning with us to our past-present-future perspectives on the world’s third millennium (Anno Domini or Common Era). Former college professor Dr. Paul Giesting (call him Paul) resumes and expands his discussion of the “pope name bracket” he created, inspired partly by the 2025 basketball season but well-informed by the Church’s remarkable past.
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In this podcast’s new season of episodes, which began with Papal Names Bracket—Part 1, we continue our review of popes’ names in context, including the popularity of certain names. It’s a handy launch pad for a quick and insightful tour of history.
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See below the database Paul established as a guide to our sweeping review of the au courant name “Leo.” Like the “TSSM” podcast, it keeps popping up!
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(Paul credits assistance from The Catholic Encyclopedia, still authoritative though first published in 1914 and preserved and presented at the New Advent website. As a valuable resource, it too keeps popping up.)
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Pope St. Leo I "The Great" 440-461 - of the Tome and the pacification of Attila the Hun
Pope St. Leo II 682-3
Pope St. Leo III 795-816 - who crowned Charlemagne in 800
Pope St. Leo IV 847-853
Pope Leo V 903?
Pope Leo VI 928-9
Pope Leo VII 936-9
Pope Leo VIII 964-5
Pope Leo IX (Bruno) 1049-54 - early reformer in an era of simony and clerical incontinence
Pope Leo X (Giovanni de Medici) 1513-1521 - Renaissance pope at the time of Luther
Pope Leo XI (Alessandro de Medici) 1605
Pope Leo XII (Annibale della Genga) 1823-1829
Pope Leo XIII (Gioacchino Pecci) 1878-1903 - Author of Rerum Novarum
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Paul inserts this personal comment about his presentation, recorded Jan. 17, 2026, before the historical tour begins: Please pardon the awkward insertion of "from Irenaeus of" [Lyon] into the episode toward the end...I had originally, mistakenly, called him Ignatius...and a few oddly timed pauses where I took the opportunity to blank out some even more excessive than usual "uhs". I miss podcasting and being in the classroom to keep me sharper on my speaking skills.
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Note that Pope Leo XIII and our present-day Pope Leo XIV are scholars of the Catholic Church’s Canon Law. You can read the entire tome here. Now that’s transparency!
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Bill Schmitt concludes the episode with his co-host contributions, kindly appended to the podcast by producer Paul. Bill’s dual focus is the context of Pope Leo XIII’s huge contributions and their relevance to these days of Leo XIV. Leave it to Bill to segue from profound Church history to the subject of Greenland.
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You can read Bill’s ongoing “Phronesis in Pieces” commentaries—on the intersection of Catholic values, public affairs, and trends in communications—at billschmitt.substack.com and at OnWord.net.

Oct 29, 2025
Oct 29, 2025
47 min
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Dr. Paul Giesting and Bill Schmitt welcome listeners back for new episodes of our “legacy” podcast, “That’s So Second Millennium.” See below for biographies. Check out our archived episodes: That's So Second Millennium
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Here’s a chronological list of popes. For context in this episode, start with Pope Leo XIII (#256) and look through the 20th century for Popes Pius X, XI, and XII. (Please forgive a couple of small historical and mathematical mistakes--at one point Paul says something amounting to 5+7 make 11 or 4+7 make 12.)
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What’s in a name? Paul has developed a sports-inspired bracket for papal names and their likelihood, with 64 possibilities. We'll digitize it and post it in connection with the next episode.
- Papal tiara logo borrowed from The Mad Monarchist.
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Pope Leo XIV conforms with Paul’s bracket prediction of the “top seed”: With the passing of Pope Francis, Leo was the most likely name to be chosen.
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Scholars have called the 1660-1836 period as “the long 18th century” in English literature. They point to a “long 19th century” between 1750 and 1914.
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Here’s one take on why Cardinal Robert Prevost chose Leo as his papal name. Leo is now the fourth-most common papal name in history along with Clement. The only more popular names are John, Benedict, and Gregory.
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Would you like to read the book—Their Name is Pius—that Paul read in his youth? Amazon says it doesn’t come cheap.
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You can also read Eamon Duffy’s The Stripping of the Altars.
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Pope Leo XIV has called for a new Rerum Novarum, according to the Aleteia news site.
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Here’s the bio of St. Francis Xavier, missionary and one of the original seven Jesuits.
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Yes, there was a Pope Lando, reigning in the years 913-914.
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Pope Julius I, a canonized saint, reigned in 337-352.
Updated bio of Bill Schmitt: Bill Schmitt is a journalist, educator, and marketing communications specialist who has been an adjunct professor of English and media at several schools, most recently Holy Cross College in Notre Dame, IN. He served on the communications staff of the University of Notre Dame from 2003 to 2017, managing many projects and joining in a wide range of multimedia, interdisciplinary collaborations. Since then, his freelance work has included feature-writing, editing, podcasting, and blogging, with much of his work centered on the Catholic faith. Bill holds a BA from Fordham University and an MPA from the Princeton School of Public and International Affairs. Find his work at billschmitt.substack.com, OnWord.net, and billschmitt-onword on Linked-In.
